Public Spin
The Steorn Orbo spins in public view at last. So, what does it prove? On the face of it, not a lot.
However, I don’t think that was the intention. This is a process, not a magic trick. I can tell you that anyone joining the SKDB will indeed get the knowledge needed to make this machine and others. The big question remains – is the thing what Steorn claims it to be? If so, the entry fee of 419 Euros will be seen as a pittance and if not it’s a 419 advance fee fraud.
To me, that’s the most telling thing about this demo. The company has put everything on the line. Never before have they been so specific about their discovery and directly linked it to a sales pitch for your money. It’s on record. It’s ballsy. It’s in your face.
Sean McCarthy:
“Orbo is an overunity technology. An overunity technology is simple – the concept is simple - that you can put a certain amount of energy into a device and take more energy out of it. It defies one of the most basic scientific principles.”
“What we’re offering is not just some new cool technology. It is a real opportunity, for us as a species and us as a society, to change everything.”
Notice the language. There is no obfuscation, no political get-out phrase. They are not saying that ‘we expect…’ or ‘in our opinion…” This is a public pitch selling specific knowledge with specific outcomes. Buy an entry ticket and we will show you how to build a machine that outputs more energy than you put in – a technology that could change us a species. If they do not deliver, you sue for your money back. In this sense, considering the stakes involved, the risk and the sum is negligible.
This demo has a long way to run. Paid membership of the SKDB is not happening until it finishes after January. I know that these people are smart. They have families. They are risking their lives. Soon they will be in jail or the world will sit up and take notice.
It's too early to call but that's fine because there's no need to.
Watch and learn.
However, I don’t think that was the intention. This is a process, not a magic trick. I can tell you that anyone joining the SKDB will indeed get the knowledge needed to make this machine and others. The big question remains – is the thing what Steorn claims it to be? If so, the entry fee of 419 Euros will be seen as a pittance and if not it’s a 419 advance fee fraud.
To me, that’s the most telling thing about this demo. The company has put everything on the line. Never before have they been so specific about their discovery and directly linked it to a sales pitch for your money. It’s on record. It’s ballsy. It’s in your face.
Sean McCarthy:
“Orbo is an overunity technology. An overunity technology is simple – the concept is simple - that you can put a certain amount of energy into a device and take more energy out of it. It defies one of the most basic scientific principles.”
“What we’re offering is not just some new cool technology. It is a real opportunity, for us as a species and us as a society, to change everything.”
Notice the language. There is no obfuscation, no political get-out phrase. They are not saying that ‘we expect…’ or ‘in our opinion…” This is a public pitch selling specific knowledge with specific outcomes. Buy an entry ticket and we will show you how to build a machine that outputs more energy than you put in – a technology that could change us a species. If they do not deliver, you sue for your money back. In this sense, considering the stakes involved, the risk and the sum is negligible.
This demo has a long way to run. Paid membership of the SKDB is not happening until it finishes after January. I know that these people are smart. They have families. They are risking their lives. Soon they will be in jail or the world will sit up and take notice.
It's too early to call but that's fine because there's no need to.
Watch and learn.
posted by Paul Story at
13:26
8 Comments:
Well said.
As you note they have lots to risk if it doesnt work.
Many people say its a scam and I understand the scepticism but free energy scams can only work when a small number of people are hit for a large amount of money.
The low fee for a development license will attract many, the more people involved the more of a risk if it is a scam. So what they are doing really flies in the face of a con artists logic.
Therefore you can only assume that they really have something, or at least believe they have something. Either way, if they are mistaken then the world loses nothing, if they do have something then we are entering a new paradigm.
Actually, Bernie Madoff hooked his victims by telling them NOT to invest a lot in the beginning. He wanted them to get a feel for the returns. Once they were comfortable it was then he took large investments and that was all she wrote. So cons do take small amounts of money from large groups.
In any case, the hobbyists who will fork over money do not mean much. I want to see a large corporation enter a license agreement with Steorn. That would be a whole 'nother ballgame.
You cannot assume Steorn has anything. That is reckless without proper vetting of what they claim. I could say that I can walk through walls. Would you believe me? Probably not. Why? Because you have no way of verifying it. Same with Steorn to date.
Steorn's talk on Saturday and the false claims they made during that talk demonstrated that they are either: liars, rank among the world's most incompetent electrical engineers or are a combination of both.
As Forbes declared in 2007: The Orbo is indeed "powered by blarney".
Fyi I've posted a couple of short videos of the Waterways demo:
Short - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6tdlavXAMY
Slightly longer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pG5tQIhpYM
They don't reveal much other than the devices spinning. They've had some problems with reed switches failing so had to replace them; the guy periodically walking around is just measuring RPMs.
Personally I've no inclination to doubt their claims just yet. Just seem like a bunch of nice guys (largely geeks) who are pretty confident they have something. Happy to just wait & see; maybe means a few "laws" need to be tweaked if they're right. Big deal :)
The second demonstration went off even worse than the first. Steorn's audience challenged Steorn on the poor quality of the demonstration. Steorn's ridiculous answer was that they don't actually make stuff that works.
Paul, any thoughts before the big reveal at the end of the month?
Are you ready to climb off, or over, the fence? Do you think Steorn have the goods?
Hi Anon,
Not ready to climb over the fence, yet. There is too much to Steorn to ignore and part of me believes what they say. If it was up to that part, I would be yelling from the rooftops. If the claims were not impossible, Steorn's appointed Jury had not pronounced against it and the London demo had not so spectacularly failed, I would be ready to climb and jump.
This is countered by what they have shown us in the SKDB and I am willing to believe that they may have what they say. However, we are so close, it seems pointless guessing anymore.
I am going to Dublin next week to see for myself.
And so, for now, I wait.
Oh, good Lord! It's hard to imagine how more definitely Steorn could declare their claims are a joke than they have with their recent public statements and demonstrations.
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