Steorn - Summary 3
Thinking about what I’d like to see in a summary document it occurred to me that it may not be obvious to everyone what some of the terms used in the discussions actually mean. With that in mind here are some ‘facts’ about the technology as I see them:
The base output of this thing is mechanical. According to Sean, the quoted figure of 0.5W/cc includes the coils and other elements needed to convert this to electricity. We are talking roughly a half Watt in the approximate size of a sugar cube. If we relate this to quantities that we are used to dealing with, we might think of a 60W bulb or a 1KW electric fire. At first this might not seem very impressive. A 60W bulb would need around 120 ‘sugar cubes’ to power it. Remember though that this is a volume relationship, so a 5x5x5 stack would get us there. With LED and other energy-saving devices, we can get good quality lighting at under 10 Watts - a little over 2X2X2 cubes.
At the other end of the scale, imagine something the size of a small dining table (1 cubic metre). This volume would hold a million of these little buggers - a lot of sweetener or a lot of energy depending on how good you are at analogies.
That’s a half megawatt of power. If we were talking about a bank of batteries it would pack a powerful punch, but as a free energy device that keeps going and going and going, we start to get a picture of what all the fuss is about.
Talking of which…
I hear, from some quarters, that the output of a free energy device should be able to be routed back into the input to generate an infinitely growing supply of juice until it consumed the galaxy – or words to that effect. Forgetting the point that it would destroy itself before the universe, in the case of Steorn’s technology, this is not true. If an Orbo was an energy amplifier then, perhaps there would be some merit to the assertion, but it is not. For any particular configuration, there is a set energy gain and, unfortunately for those wanting to conquer the universe, there will be no death ray or planet eater to be seen anytime in the immediate future. So there!
If you have any suggestions for what should go into the completed summary, please let me know in the comments’ area.
posted by Paul Story at
20:25
12 Comments:
Funny, wondrous stuff and hopefully all true Paul.
Yes, I remember even how our dear own Dr. Mike speculated about conquering the universe with Orbo "energy amplifiers" - but Sean made it clear that although it appears to break certain rules it obeys others--there is both a loss and a gain portion of each cycle of the device--it's just that (so we're told) when the cycle is over we're supposedly left with a net gain.
Sean's comments on "energy amplifier" use can be found here:
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=26222
Hi WP,
That damned universe. One rule after another.
Badly adapted from one of my favourite definitions of time: "Just on damned thing after another."
Thanks for the link, anon. Very useful.
I contacted Steorn yesterday looking for details of the July Demo as I would like to make travel arrangemens and received no comment. July is now upon us and at this stage the locations would have to be booked and probably the machine packed up for shipment. Why would Steron not just say July XX in XXX conference Centre so as to allow people to make plans. The only reason is that it will not happen in July.
I dont think these guys are engaged in a scam, I think they are honest people who have convinced themselves of something that is not true. All we have at the moment is a theory i.e. wheel is driven around electrically and a statement that more power is coming out. The practice is the proof of the pudding and as they try to create the practical expression of their theory they will hit some "technical problems" so we ware going to get press releases that say August, and then "for legal reasons we cannot display it" etc. or if pushed they will simply show us what they have based the theory on. Its a nice dream and they will always be "almost there" but never will. But I respect their guts for putting their reputations on the line but human folly knows know bounds. Maybe I will eat my words, and that is what keeps us all interested, but I dont think so.
MBA guy again. I defer to the engineering expertise on this board. However, if Steorn have a free standing machine that rotates perpetually and can produce excess energy then it is significant. If this machine is displayed in London in a week then there will be no doubt and no reason for confusion. How could there be? I must have misread their press releases because I understood otherwise -apologies.
But if this is so and they are going to show it in the first week in July - why not simply announce this so people can arrange to come and see it? As I said I know nothing about engineering but logic tells me that this is not rationle. My wife recently rolled out a new SCADA product (something to do with power control and distribution I think) and it was planned for six months in advance and all potential customers notified.
I remain to be convinced by have transferred money to my Spread Betting firm, because if some guy appears on the TV with a machine that generates free energy I will be shorting oil and gas. No doubt about it.
Hi anon,
I share your frustration regarding the demo but having worked with the world's media in the past I know that doing things in what seems to be a rational and logical manner to us mortals is not always the best way to go. One assumes that their PR people are advising them well.
Any of our guesses could be true, but I find it difficult to reconcile the notion of "...honest people who have convinced themselves of something that is not true..." with the belief that they don't have what they say. To me, they are far too specific about what they have. There is no ambiguity at all about what they 'say' in this regard. There is also no way they can mistake a machine that goes on for ever (until it breaks down of course) without external energy being fed to it, with one that does not.
They are lying or they have it.
Hi MBA guy. Good to hear from you again. Please refer to my last reply regarding demo.
Good luck on the shorting thing. Dangerous, but bloody exciting!
Hi Paul, just dropped in to see what you've writing (great stuff) and I was surprised that we have exactly the same sugar cube idea for explaining the power density. Great minds etc... Best wishes
anonymous #2,
I happen to work in a media-related industry among many neighboring companies.
You must understand that the corporate media have the attention spans of gnats on crack cocaine.
To get their attention at all and especially for a "fringe" story you have to bash them on the head, scream at them, flash them a minimum of one body part and tell them how they will profit. Steorn's approach with either not announcing the demo before hand or perhaps doing it through coded channels is the correct approach. They will hopefully experience a "snowballing" effect as was seen last summer when the Economist ad was published.
Steorn know exactly what they are doing. I think they will be pleased with the result as long as they hold up their end of the deal.
Hi Martin,
I almost went out to buy some sugar cubes to measure them and then realised that I needed to get a life.
Hi WP,
Yep. I spent some time working closely with the media. My boss used to to try to get me to 'book' journalists way in advance. At first I tried to argue that this wasn't the way to go but he was a determined bureaucrat who needed things planned to perfection. In the end I'd just nod and say that it was all sorted. The day before whatever event was going on I'd make a few phone calls (sometimes even in the morning of the day). If my story was more interesting than what they were doing already, it got attention, if it wasn't then it lost. If it had been on their books for weeks they would have been bored by the thought of it, but cold-calling almost always worked. I almost always got the attention we needed - the strategy was extremely successful. Problem was, my boss assumed it was because I had done it his way that it all worked out so well.
As you say - Steorn has to hold to its end of the deal.
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